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Kosovo declares independence from Serbia
  • We all know how our government reacted when our own southern states tried to break away from the U.S., (we had to crush them!) but we're actively supporting Kosovo's break from Serbia, further atangonizing Russia and possibly pushing us closer to WW3. We bombed the former Yugoslavia for 78 days in 1999, in support of the al-Qeada linked Kosovo Liberation Army... ("al-Qeada" being nothing more than a CIA created bogeyman of conveniance) It's obvious what our our neocon/neoliberal masters are really after - control of Kosovo's mineral wealth.

    Kosovo declares independence from Serbia
    Feb 17, 2008
    Kosovo declared itself a nation on Sunday, mounting a historic bid to become an "independent and democratic state" backed by the U.S. and key European allies but bitterly contested by Serbia and Russia.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSHAM53437920080217

    Kosovo’s mineral wealth
    It may not be entirely accurate to say Kosovo is “sitting on a gold mine,” but it is fair to say that the area’s natural resources bring Kosovo pretty near to this. http://www.unmikonline.org/pub/focuskos/sept05/focuskeco5.htm

    World Bank survey puts Kosovo's mineral resources at 13.5bn euros
    http://kosovareport.blogspot.com/2005/01/world-bank-survey-puts-kosovos-mineral.html

    To Kill A Nation - The Attack on Yugoslavia
    by Michael Parenti

    To Kill A Nation reveals a decade-long disinformation campaign waged by Western leaders and NATO officials in their pursuit of free-market “reforms.” The political and economic destabilization of the former Yugoslavia continues today, Parenti shows, as does the forced privatization and Third Worldization of the entire region. http://www.michaelparenti.org/ToKillANation.html

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  • DoctornoDoctorno
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    The Neocons got Bush and his puppet Reagan to sign off on destroying Yugoslavia in a paper inked in 1981.

    Alex had Michelle Chusodovsky on yesterday documenting the disassembly by the WEST of Yugoslavia as She had everything to be a Sovereign country who could chart Her own course.

    You remember NATO's charter?

    It was incorporated to be an organization for defense of those within their borders. NATO is now a rogue organization that goes where ever it wants to without regard to The Rule of Law or its own Rules creating it.
    This Illegal action was ramped up during the Reign of William Jefferson Blythe Clinton Bush.

    I have heard NATO is also in the Afghan outback in some form, but don't have anything solid on it.....
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    The Neocons got Bush and his puppet Reagan to sign off on destroying Yugoslavia in a paper inked in 1981.

    Alex had Michelle Chusodovsky on yesterday documenting the disassembly by the WEST of Yugoslavia as She had everything to be a Sovereign country who could chart Her own course.

    You remember NATO's charter?

    It was incorporated to be an organization for defense of those within their borders. NATO is now a rogue organization that goes where ever it wants to without regard to The Rule of Law or its own Rules creating it.
    This Illegal action was ramped up during the Reign of William Jefferson Blythe Clinton Bush.

    I have heard NATO is also in the Afghan outback in some form, but don't have anything solid on it.....



    I was really pissed when Blowjob Bill unloaded on Yugoslavia. Bush's list of "rogue states" are simply the few left that haven't completely knuckled under to the NWO. Cuba is a classic example, as well as the former Yugoslavia. I've been wanting to ask you if you're familiar with Cuba's development of alternative energy? With Fidel resigning, I thought maybe the U.S. would lighten up a little bit, but nooo...

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    NATO in Afghanistan
    http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/index.html
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    Violence erupts on Kosovo-Serbia border
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080221/wl_afp/serbiakosovopolitics_080221144446

    NATO forces — including troops from the United States — seized control of the border crossings early Wednesday and closed the border for about 24 hours.  http://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/28264.html

    U.S. Embassy in Belgrade Overrun
    Feb. 22 -- A rampaging crowd of several hundred Serb demonstrators, incensed by the U.S. recognition of Kosovo's independence, overran and burned part of the American Embassy in the Serbian capital of Belgrade on Thursday. The assault drew fierce protests from Washington and illustrated the rage in Serbia over the loss of its historic province.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022100481_pf.html

    200,000 Serbs Rally, US Embassy Attacked
    http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=54760

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    NATO’s war itself was illegal and illegitimate. In the course of the war, NATO pilots targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure. The Alliance naturally claims those were “unfortunate mistakes” and that bombs were dropped “in good faith,” yet Gen. Michael Short publicly stated that the campaign was designed to force Belgrade to surrender by terrorizing civilians. http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2007/03/forfeiting-nothing.html

    Kosovo Crisis Continues
    Kosovo has become a diplomatic and geopolitical flashpoint, with Russia backing Serbia's opposition to full independence. Meanwhile the US State Department and EU have taken an aggressive stance in favour of independence, using EU membership as a carrot and the country's economic woes as a stick. http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/1671

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    A rally in Serbia in support of the Serbian minority in Kosovo. (Kosmet refers to Kosovo).
  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
    Posts: 717
    May 23, 2008
    Into the Bosnian Quagmire
    Part 1

    Editorial note: This is an excerpt from a pamphlet published in 1996, Into the Bosnian Quagmire: The Case Against U.S. Intervention in the Balkans. We republish it now, in successive installments, because the rise of Barack Obama as the putative Democratic presidential candidate augurs the rise of a new liberal internationalism – the very same sort of policy that led us to bomb Belgrade, one of the oldest cities in Europe, and paved the way for the establishment of the gangster state known as Kosovo.

    This was deemed a "humanitarian intervention": we were told that the Serbs were "ethnically cleansing" the Kosovars from their own territory, and that tens of thousands had been slaughtered. As is the case with other more recent military actions, it all turned out to be a crock: the tens of thousands dead shrunk to a few thousand, including victims from both sides in what was, after all, a civil war.

    Hillary Clinton recently had the nerve to call the Kosovo war an example of "how it should be done." If the near-complete emptying of Serbs from Kosovo and Bosnia, the burning of churches, and the establishment of a radical Muslim enclave in the heart of Europe is a Clintonian "success," then one has to wonder what failure would look like.

    It isn't just Hillary, however, whose penchant for "humanitarian" interventionism poses a potential danger to peace. Barack Obama, too, has shown a weakness for this militaristic form of moral self-indulgence. He is surrounded by advisers of the "liberal internationalist" school, such as Samantha Power, who pines to send U.S. troops to Rwanda and criticized the Clintons for not dispatching troops to the Balkans fast enough.

    It was the Kosovo incursion that set the stage for the Iraq invasion, from the rhetoric of "liberation" to the mechanics of "nation-building." Operation Allied Force had all the elements that were later developed to the max in Operation Enduring Freedom – an allied group that provided phony "intelligence," i.e., war propaganda, and had the same hubristic, hectoring style. Militant interventionists, such as John McCain, jumped on board the war bandwagon because they realized that a precedent had to be set in the post-Cold War world, an assertion of American hegemony.

    Today, we are all paying the consequences.

    - Justin Raimondo

    http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12874
  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
    Posts: 717
    Don't Forget Yugoslavia
    by John Pilger
    August 16, 2008

    The secrets of the crushing of Yugoslavia are emerging, telling us more about how the modern world is policed. The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia in The Hague, Carla Del Ponte, this year published her memoir, The Hunt: Me and War Criminals. Largely ignored in Britain, the book reveals unpalatable truths about the West's intervention in Kosovo, which has echoes in the Caucasus.

    The tribunal was set up and bankrolled principally by the United States. Del Ponte's role was to investigate the crimes committed as Yugoslavia was dismembered in the 1990s. She insisted that this include NATO's 78-day bombing of Serbia and Kosovo in 1999, which killed hundreds of people in hospitals, schools, churches, parks, and television studios and destroyed economic infrastructure. "If I am not willing to [prosecute NATO personnel]," said Del Ponte, "I must give up my mission." It was a sham. Under pressure from Washington and London, an investigation into NATO war crimes was scrapped.

    Readers will recall that the justification for the NATO bombing was that the Serbs were committing "genocide" in the secessionist province of Kosovo against ethnic Albanians. David Scheffer, U.S. ambassador-at-large for war crimes, announced that as many as "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59" may have been murdered. Tony Blair invoked the Holocaust and "the spirit of the Second World War." The West's heroic allies were the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), whose murderous record was set aside. The British foreign secretary, Robin Cook, told them to call him anytime on his mobile phone.

    With the NATO bombing over, international teams descended upon Kosovo to exhume the "holocaust." The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines." A year later, Del Ponte's tribunal announced the final count of the dead in Kosovo: 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The "holocaust" was a lie. The NATO attack had been fraudulent.

    That was not all, says Del Ponte in her book: the KLA kidnapped hundreds of Serbs and transported them to Albania, where their kidneys and other body parts were removed; these were then sold for transplant in other countries. She also says there was sufficient evidence to prosecute the Kosovar Albanians for war crimes, but the investigation "was nipped in the bud" so that the tribunal's focus would be on "crimes committed by Serbia." She says the Hague judges were terrified of the Kosovar Albanians – the very people in whose name NATO had attacked Serbia.

    Indeed, even as Blair the war leader was on a triumphant tour of "liberated" Kosovo, the KLA was ethnically cleansing more than 200,000 Serbs and Roma from the province. Last February the "international community," led by the U.S., recognized Kosovo, which has no formal economy and is run, in effect, by criminal gangs that traffic in drugs, contraband, and women. But it has one valuable asset: the U.S. military base Camp Bondsteel, described by the Council of Europe's human rights commissioner as "a smaller version of Guantanamo." Del Ponte, a Swiss diplomat, has been told by her own government to stop promoting her book.

    Yugoslavia was a uniquely independent and multi-ethnic, if imperfect, federation that stood as a political and economic bridge in the Cold War. This was not acceptable to the expanding European Community, especially newly united Germany, which had begun a drive east to dominate its "natural market" in the Yugoslav provinces of Croatia and Slovenia. By the time the Europeans met at Maastricht in 1991, a secret deal had been struck; Germany recognized Croatia, and Yugoslavia was doomed. In Washington, the U.S. ensured that the struggling Yugoslav economy was denied World Bank loans and the defunct NATO was reinvented as an enforcer. At a 1999 Kosovo "peace" conference in France, the Serbs were told to accept occupation by NATO forces and a market economy, or be bombed into submission. It was the perfect precursor to the bloodbaths in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    http://www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=13303

  • PurpleHazePurpleHaze
    Posts: 717
    Kosovo Precedent Prevails
    by Ted Galen Carpenter
    08.26.2008

    When the United States and its key European allies ignored Russia’s protests and recognized Kosovo’s declaration of independence from Serbia in February, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice blithely insisted that the Kosovo situation was unique and set no international precedent whatsoever. Prominent members of the foreign policy communities in Europe and the United States echoed her argument.

    Moscow’s August 26 decision to recognize the independence of Georgia’s separatist enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia demonstrates the arrogant folly of that position. In just a matter of months, the Kosovo precedent has backfired on the United States and generated dangerous tensions between Russia and the West.

    It is difficult to imagine how Washington and its NATO allies could have more egregiously mishandled the Kosovo situation. Western policy has been a debacle from its beginnings in the early 1990s. When Belgrade attempted to suppress the secessionist campaign by the Albanian majority in Kosovo, NATO intervened with air strikes to compel Serbia to relinquish control of the province to an international occupation force.
    NATO’s actions ignored Moscow’s vehement objections and showed contempt for Russia’s long-standing interests in the Balkans. The Clinton administration also bypassed the UN Security Council (and, hence, Russia’s veto) to launch that military operation, exhibiting further disdain for Russia’s prerogatives as a permanent member of the Council and a major power in the international system.

    Russian leaders fumed, but Moscow was too weak to do anything but issue futile protests. Ultimately, the NATO powers offered Moscow the sop of a belated UN resolution that professed to recognize Serbia’s territorial integrity, which included Kosovo, even though that province had been put under international control. How much that resolution was worth became apparent in 2007 and early 2008 when the United States and the major European Union governments pressed for Kosovo’s independence without Belgrade’s consent and—once again—without UN Security Council authorization. Moscow warned at the time that such action would set a dangerous international precedent; countries as diverse as China, India, Indonesia, Spain and Greece expressed the same concern. Most ominously, Russian officials specifically cited Abkhazia and South Ossetia as places where the Kosovo precedent could apply.

    Russia has now demonstrated that two can play the game of using military force against another country to detach discontented ethnic enclaves. And the United States and NATO are not able to do much about it.  http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=19656

    Flashpoints Radio
    http://www.flashpoints.net/
    Tuesday, August 19, 2008 

    Today on Flashpoints: Outspoken author, historian and media critic, Dr. Michael Parenti, in a free-wheeling discussion of the pressing issues of our time; we'll take a look at the elections and what's going on in Russia and Georgia; also JR and Block Report in an extended interview with the filmmaker of Disappearing Voices, the Decline of Black Radio, and the Knight Report.

    01:00 The Knight Report
    • Things fall apart in Pakistan and Afghanistan, while Russia dismantles Georgia's US - and Israeli supplied attack capabilities

    05:00 Michael Parenti
    Michael Parenti, author, historian and media critic, discusses US activities in the Middle East and implications of the 2008 US Presidential election. His latest book is Contrary Notions, the Michael Parenti Reader. Internationally acclaimed, award winning author Michael Parenti is one of America's most astute and engaging political analysts. www.michaelparenti.org

    Listen: http://aud1.kpfa.org:80//data/20080819-Tue1700.mp3

    BlackOp Radio
    Show #359 
Original airdate: Jan 31, 2008
Guests: Michael Parenti, Greg Burnham
    http://www.blackopradio.com/archives2008.html


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  • Once a lying old neoliberal hag, always a lying old neoliberal hag...

    Albright slams US handling of Georgia crisis

    BERLIN (AFP) — Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright has blasted the current US administration's handling of the Georgia crisis, saying her first move would have been to travel to Russia for talks.

    In an interview with the online service of German news weekly Der Spiegel Sunday, Albright said she would have criticised the Russian military surge into Georgia and recognition of two Georgian rebel enclaves but reassured Moscow over its security fears.

    "I would have gone straight to Moscow, unlike the current Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice," she said, in remarks printed in German.

    "I would have told the Russians in no uncertain terms that this behaviour is unacceptable. At the same time, I would have assured them that there is no threat at their borders."

    Albright called for a decisive response by the West to the Russia's actions in the Caucasus.

    "If (Russian Prime Minister Vladimir) Putin does not rethink this then we must find ways to isolate Russia internationally," she said.

    She said NATO must move forward with plans to eventually integrate Georgia as a member, and dismissed Moscow's comparisons of the two Russian-backed separatist Georgian regions South Ossetia and Abkhazia with Kosovo.

    "Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic and his henchmen ordered the ethnic cleansing of Serbia and Kosovo," said Albright, who was secretary of state when NATO bombing drove out Serbian forces waging a crackdown on separatists from Kosovo's ethnic Albanian majority.

    "We attempted in several UN resolutions to find a solution to the crisis and tried repeatedly to work together with the Russians. The situation was simply different. And what Milosevic did is not comparable with what the Georgians have done to hold their country together."

    Russian troops entered Georgia on August 8 to push back a Georgian offensive to retake South Ossetia, which broke away from Tbilisi in the 1990s with Moscow's backing.

    Last week, Moscow recognised South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent, in a move condemned by the United States and the European Union.
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jKGyvl-wPdH2pItbNf_eGOGEWdkw

    Obama's War Room
    by Elizabeth Schulte

    On June 18, Obama convened the first meeting of his "Senior Working Group on National Security," a collection of advisers and possible future Cabinet members in a new administration--many of them former Clinton administration operators. Their record of war-making and imperial arrogance is enough to make your blood curdle.

    Madeleine Albright: The price is worth it

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    In 1996, CBS's Lesley Stahl asked Madeleine Albright, then secretary of state, about the U.S-imposed sanctions against Iraq. "We have heard that a half million children have died," Stahl said. "I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. Is the price worth it?"

    Albright didn't hesitate. "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it," said Albright.


    Albright advocated "regime change" in Iraq long before the Bush administration took power. It was during the Clinton administration that the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act was passed, making regime change offical U.S. policy and paving the way for Bush's invasion.

    Albright was one of the architects of the U.S.-led NATO war on the former Yugoslavia, carried out under the cover of "humanitarian" concerns for the Kosovar Albanians. But the real purpose of the war was shown in 1999 negotiations in Rambouillet, France, with Serbian President Slovodan Milosevic, where Albright gave him an impossible choice--allow NATO troops unrestricted access or suffer the consequences.

    Milosevic's refusal to surrender set the stage for a three-month bombing campaign that caused the deaths of some 2,000 Serbs and made conditions even worse for the Kosovar Albanians who the U.S. claimed to be protecting.

    Albright was an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, but as the Washington Post reported, when "Sen. Barack Obama convened the first meeting of his new 'Senior Working Group on National Security'...he put Madeleine Albright at the head of the table."  http://www.counterpunch.org/schulte07072008.html
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    With the NATO bombing over, international teams descended upon Kosovo to exhume the "holocaust." The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines." A year later, Del Ponte's tribunal announced the final count of the dead in Kosovo: 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The "holocaust" was a lie. The NATO attack had been fraudulenthttp://www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=13303